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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 1:19 am Post subject: Question on human rights. Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:53 am Post subject: Re: Question on human rights. Reply with quote

You can never win with Europeans.
If you kill a terrorist you get called savaged and  uncivilised
If you release him you get called a  terrorist sympathiser
The solution is simple
either deport him and have him killed or release him and shut up
Mind you he is no different from that Dutch MP  who hate Muslims and no different from Nick Griffin both the children  of Hitler


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:22 pm Post subject: Re: Question on human rights. Reply with quote

Of course we cannot kill him!!! We cannot deport him if he faces torture either. But seeing as the public also have a human right to be free of his hatred and trouble stirring. It would seem he will have to remain in prison until such a time as it's resolved to everyone's satisfaction. Meanwhile his family are kept by the taxpayer.

But seeing as the same human rights act protects you and me as well as those who at first glance do not deserve the protection, things have to be so if we are all considered to be equal. Which I believe we are.

The likes of Nick Griffin are to be dispised wherever they are from. If I could have just one wish it would be for people to let go their hatred of others. That would indeed be what is known as a win win situation.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 4:23 pm Post subject: Re: Question on human rights. Reply with quote

I am not directing the blame at you but since you brought the subject up it means it  has touched you in some way.
Personally i believe that Human rights stop when the person decides to harm others. it is foolish to feel sorry for  someone who is trying to kill you. it is crazy and ilogical. deport him  full stop. of course Jordan can give guarantees not to harm him. it is not that hard to do. I know the government faces hard time but the reason we select a government is that it should be able to challenge criticism otherwise simply elect a technocrat.

You see those who speak evil of others have no understanding of God's master plan, they are fooled by Satan into thinking they are doing God's work when God is Most merciful and most gracious. since all are going to face God singly without any doubt then we should only stop those who try to harm us and not try to get revenge. revenge is satanic way of defying God's mercy.
In relation to tax money we should stop talking bull because the money( the thieves  in finance sector like banks etc.. ) stolen is 90% more then few thousands of pounds that feed a man who is a citizan even if he is a bad citizan, just like  Son of Gadafi who is in prison he is so much hated but still he has to eat and drink like or hate it that is nature.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 10:35 pm Post subject: Re: Question on human rights. Reply with quote

Confused I'm not sure what kind of blame you're not attaching to me......but hey ho. Lucky I have never been in the situation where my human rights have been threatened in any way. But no matter how bad a person is, they are still human and so should enjoy the same basic rights as everyone else. Who decides who is deserving and who is not? A very slippery slope that one. Yes we elect the government and trust them to do the best on our behalf this may on occasions  be contrary to our personal beliefs, but that is what we pay them for.

Regarding the benefits from taxes, I have no problem with that, in this case just because the man is found to be guilty of some crime and punished, where does it say his wife and family have to be punished also ? Society can be judged by how it treats it hose in need, that should be unconditional if they fit the criteria.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:35 pm Post subject: Re: Question on human rights. Reply with quote

My dearest Arwen. Thank you.
Exactly how i feel. Personally i never worry too much about the media and its lies. we all know they sell lies to make money.
Every story has  real people living behind it bad or good they are still human beings.
Today is another day similar to this story where the government is trying to punish children simply because they were born by cutting their benefits. and sadly the majority of idiots online seem to agree with their idiotic friends with no understanding that these children if punished will turn one day against all of us and harm us in one way or another.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:07 pm Post subject: Re: Question on human rights. Reply with quote

Under Tory governments the rich always get richer and the poor just stay poor. Always been so. Crying or Very sad  They are devoid of compassion and empathy.

You can probably confer from that I never voted for them... Wink  Laughing  Laughing


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 5:42 pm Post subject: Re: Question on human rights. Reply with quote

They say   Take  me  down to the paradise city where the grass is green and girls are pretty
Well not very true at all . under the Tories everything is somber except their  own locked up circle


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