Will they never learn.

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:30 am Post subject: Re: Will they never learn.

The roman would never crucify any Jews unless the Jews gave them the order that is because the laws were to observe jewish law for peace. anyway you fail to understand that there was a cemetry outside the land called the land of cursed and anyone who was crucified is burried there and spat at (till today ) if the Jews wanted to kill Jesus (as) all they had to do is stab him at night and matter is resolved but the idea of crucifixation was to prove to his followers that a crucified man is a cursed man and all his words and sayings are from Shaytan therefore his message would have finished. so what the Jews are telling you is jesus was a liar and we killed him and he is cursed. wishful thinking i say
But God is great, they wanted to have a Massiah from a jewish family and he was from a jewish noble family and from a pure mother with no father and still they rejected him but they Planned and God Also planned and God is teh best planner, he raised him with his body to heaven number 2 pure as always and made Judas the evil look like him and suffer at the hands of the enemy of God. that is the proper truth and only few know it. and when Jesus as returns he shall testify against the enemy of God. Bless be God Almighty nothing is like him and God bless his prophets and Islam came to remove all doubts. ask any Christians about jesus and they are still confused about what happend apparently 12 years of his age vanished completely as if he never existed like a lost book with no records of jesus between birth and 12 years old

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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:03 am Post subject: Re: Will they never learn.

***sigh***...Once again I feel obliged to reply to your post, if for no other reason than to put the record straight so to speak. Firstly in the time of Christ the Jews were indeed permitted to pass laws, but in the instances of crimes that meant a death penalty the Romans had the final say. There were many reasons the jews of the time wished Christ dead, but would not want to be seen to do the deed themselves, so a stabbing in the dead of night would not have served their purpose, mainly as Christs death alone would not suffice he also had to be discredited. Their claims against him were false, the Romans (Pontious Pilate) knew this and gave the Jews the chance to save a prisoner from crucifixtion that day, they chose the murderer Barabas over Christ. I believe the cemetry you are referring to was Golgotha, this was where crucifixtions were held. Now seeing as Christ's death was preordained and foretold in Isiahs prophecy years before his birth, you could say all this was meant to be.

.” Pilate therefore said unto him, “Art thou a king then?” Jesus answered, “Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.” Pilate saith unto him, “What is truth?” And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, “I find in him no fault at all.” (John 18:28-38)

The rest of your post I can only assume you are seeing things as your Prophet interpreted the facts. Judas hung himself for the shame of his betrayal. You have no proof that shows that it was not Christ but someone else...a subtifuge...to what end...

Whereas there are many accounts to prove Christs life and death. I could no doubt find any number on the internet and paste them for your perusal..but to what aim?

Your comment....ask any Christians about jesus and they are still confused... this is a contradiction, because it's not possible for a Christian to be confused over Christs mission..his message or his reason for being. If they doubt they would not be a Christian but maybe a Muslim or something else. It is not particulary mysterious that there are scant records of Christs life as a child. He led a life of simple anomynity. Some of the first accounts were at aged about 12 years but then a gap...many say he travelled, but really it's not that important where he was at any one time or another, wherever or whatever there would have been a reason.

Now I will accept that you could teach me many things about Islam, No offence...but please don't think to tell me something you consider I may not know about Christianity. I would not for one minute persume to tell you about Islam, so extend me the same courtesy please. You should ask yourself why you feel the need to seek to discredit Christianity, what difference should it make to you. That you do not believe is of no importance to me, that's your choice and yours alone.

On a personal note, when we are confirmed into the Christian faith, usually about 12 or so we have to be sure in our hearts of our beliefs, we do not follow blindly where others tell us we should go. To help in this we attend classes on Bible study and are encouraged to seek the truth from any sources we like. I was confirmed later than many of my peers as I had more questions I needed to find the answers to myself...no suprise there. Wink

I was happy with the choice I made back then as I am happy with it now. My heart and mind is not for changing.

BTW...I tried to read your link but apart from a book jacket illustration there was nothing else to be found. Anyway as always...a pleasure never a chore to read and reply to your posts...and seeing as no one else round here has much to say ...I thank you for your imput. Laughing